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On ONE most important thing you've learned/discovered about writing, what would it be?

easier to learn than to apply...

Date: 2006-04-27 04:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reannon.livejournal.com
Finish the damn thing and fix it later.

Re: easier to learn than to apply...

Date: 2006-04-27 04:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenoftheskies.livejournal.com
Ooooh, I like that one. It fits with my EVERYTHING CAN BE FIXED LATER mantra that I chant. :)

Re: easier to learn than to apply...

Date: 2006-04-27 04:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reannon.livejournal.com
Now, if you figure out how to listen to it, let me know...

Re: easier to learn than to apply...

Date: 2006-04-27 04:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenoftheskies.livejournal.com
Sometimes, when I'm really on a roll, I do good with it.

However, other times, like now, I'm sniffling "Everyone else can fix what they write, but I suck and have no talent and I'll never be able to fix what I write." Sniffle.

There has to be a way to commit the mantra to heart ALL the time...doesn't there???

Date: 2006-04-27 04:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aeriedraconia.livejournal.com
Trust my instincts, they're sometimes smarter than I think.

Date: 2006-04-27 04:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenoftheskies.livejournal.com
VERY good one. I firmly believe our back brain/writing instincts know a lot more than we think they know. :)

Date: 2006-04-27 05:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aeriedraconia.livejournal.com
My backbrain amazes me, often. It comes up with things and problem solves in ways that I swear I wasn't thinking of or capable of thinking up. It is so COOL! :-)

Date: 2006-04-27 04:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] navicat.livejournal.com
To do it everyday. Even...no...ESPECIALLY if I don't want to.

Date: 2006-04-27 04:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenoftheskies.livejournal.com
Very IMPORTANT. Otherwise, we end up convincing ourselves we can't do it, don't we?

Date: 2006-04-27 04:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] navicat.livejournal.com
Indeed! And, strangely enough, I find that if I force myself to write I actually end up enjoying it! ;) who would have thought?

Date: 2006-04-27 12:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenoftheskies.livejournal.com
Me, too! Sometimes, it's not that I don't want to write, but that real life has me down, and when I make myself write, everything else seems kinda okay after that. :)

Date: 2006-04-27 01:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] navicat.livejournal.com
Yeah, real life can really suck that way :(

Date: 2006-04-27 04:51 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
You can't wait around for the muse to show up. If writers only wrote when they were inspired, we'd have plenty of bookshelf space available.

Date: 2006-04-27 04:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenoftheskies.livejournal.com
And it's an exceptional point!

We'll never get anywhere as writers if we don't write, will we?

Date: 2006-04-27 05:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pabba.livejournal.com
Never give up on a story after one rejection. Opinions differ, magazine standards differ, and in the end, personal tastes differ. Keep pushin' it.

Date: 2006-04-27 05:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cathellisen.livejournal.com
I can fix almost everything later.

Date: 2006-04-27 06:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] frigg.livejournal.com
Writing is a craft.

Date: 2006-04-27 07:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gategrrl.livejournal.com
Stop using that damned passive voice, and talk in the active, for heaven's sake, CUT CUT CUT!

Date: 2006-04-27 08:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darkfluidity.livejournal.com
Connectivity.

Tying it all together. The big and the small. Into and out of real life. With and without and within other stories, my own and classics.

It's all connected.

Date: 2006-04-27 10:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evilmissbecky.livejournal.com
Shitty First Drafts are your best friend.

Get it down. That's what I've learned. It doesn't matter how crappy I think it is. Just write it down. If it really does suck, I can always delete it. But more often than not, it's not as bad as I thought, or I can salvage at least part of it. The hardest part is just overcoming my own doubt/fear/insecurity, and getting it down on paper.

Date: 2006-04-27 10:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tamlyn.livejournal.com
write a story for an audience of one: myself.

No matter of what happens with a story later, I have written something I as a person would love to read. From this follow a whole lot of other "rules" like I can write shitty first drafts, because I know I can please the reader in me by fixing it after finishing the story, I can write every day, because I wanna know where the story goes next etc.

Date: 2006-04-27 10:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] storytellersjem.livejournal.com
You must break away from the herd mentality to become a thriving writer or the tribe will hold you back and make you do something "realitic".

Date: 2006-04-27 11:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ryan-howse.livejournal.com
There is only one rule worth following, and it comes via the wondrous and disturbingly prolific Scott Lynch:

Thou Shalt Not Bore Thy Reader, Not At All, Not Ever.

Corollary number one: If you're bored, you're boring.

Corollary number two: Play to your strengths, stupid.

Date: 2006-04-27 11:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cricketshay.livejournal.com
What POV means. I know that sounds silly, but when I began writing seriously, I didn't have a clue.

Date: 2006-04-27 12:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] batdog03.livejournal.com
That no matter how many starts and how few finishes ENJOY THE DAMN WRITING!

Date: 2006-04-27 12:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nugatorytm.livejournal.com
Go back and read what you have written previously. Do this many times over the course of writing the story. I have caught many an error or bad sentence structure by doing this.

Date: 2006-04-27 01:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kryselis.livejournal.com
Write what you love, no matter how "out-of-fashion" or "unsalable" it might be. The marketplace is cyclical. It'll come around. And if you write what you truly love, you'll be writing with passion and intensity and you could end up starting a new trend rather than following an old one.

Am glad to see you posting again. Hope you are un-broken. :)

Date: 2006-04-27 01:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jediknightmuse.livejournal.com
Don't let people's criticism get to you if it's not really praising the work. That's easier said than done for me, but I'm slowly learning. People who think the writing is crap are the people who'll be surprised one day when it's sitting on a bookstore shelf getting sold.

Date: 2006-04-27 01:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ryan-howse.livejournal.com
Please explain further?

Date: 2006-04-27 02:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jediknightmuse.livejournal.com
Basically, just don't let the criticism of others who say "this sucks, you need to work on characterization, lack of cliche," blah, blah blah, get to you. Don't let it frustrate you and make you say "hey, maybe I really am I sucky writer, I give up," and give up on whatever you're working on. I'm not saying completely ignore the criticism, just don't let it get to you if it seems like pretty much everyone is telling you it sucks. Don't let the negative thoughts of others get to you and make you think it's not worth writing anything, because it is worth it. I've been working on the same story for almost a year now, and that's probably a record for me, and I haven't let an ounce of bad/negative criticism get to me badly enough to give up on it. I also have a lot of determination when it comes to finishing the first draft finally.

Date: 2006-04-27 02:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ryan-howse.livejournal.com
Ah.

You get better by writing. And by reading better work. And by being told in heated vitriol why you're useless and insipid as a writer, and that those thousand monkeys excrete more interesting stories, and you're retreading the exact same ground as *insert author here*, except you suck in every conceivable way.

To me, that's a slap in the face to do better and show those bastards up.

You gots ta go all kung-fu on them; use the way they attack to make your own attacks more lethal. And by lethal...I mean *awesome*.

Date: 2006-04-27 03:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jediknightmuse.livejournal.com
I totally agree. If you're picking up on the same things that other authors have done but place a different twist to them, that's what makes yours different from theirs and it's what makes them original. It shows that you have actually done your research by reading what other author's do.

I don't think I've ever been so determined to finish a story, despite what people say about the cliche and all that. It's fantasy, so it's really hard to avoid that. Despite being readers of fantasy, the people who've read it don't seem to understand that.

Date: 2006-04-27 02:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] buymeaclue.livejournal.com
Doesn't matter; carry on.

Date: 2006-04-27 03:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peartreealley.livejournal.com
It's not hard to write [a novel].

What I mean by that is the simple act of placing your butt in the chair on a regular basis and writing the first draft. I'm not talking about quality here. I used to think it would take me years of planning and years of writing just to create even the most fluffiest novel. Noveling was this Herculean task that only the few chosen could accomplish. Not an Average Jane like me.

Once I wrote that first, completely awful first draft, I knew I could do this. Everything else has just been refining the craft. First I had to know I could do it.

Date: 2006-04-27 04:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ultharkitty.livejournal.com
That being part of a writing group really helps with the quality of my writing, and with my critical abilities.

Date: 2006-04-27 04:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kmkibble75.livejournal.com
Unless someone else agrees, it's not as bad as you think.

Date: 2006-04-27 06:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kklasha.livejournal.com
Don't argue with the story. It knows what it's doing, even when I don't. And let the characters speak for themselves and don't argue with them, even when they go in radically different directions...

Oh, and finish now, fix later. Reannon is dead on with that.

Date: 2006-04-27 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icepicklobotomy.livejournal.com
That inspiration is overrated.

Date: 2006-04-27 08:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madwriter.livejournal.com
The worst day writing is still much more fun than the best day working for the government.

(This also serves as a blanket metaphor for all sorts of of other things I've learned and discovered about writing.)

Date: 2006-04-27 11:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dracschick.livejournal.com
I can't write in the morning.

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